It is a complete fraud. You'll notice on every page of Amway's books they're forced to print "the average monthly earnings in 2012 was $84". Also selling CDs of themselves bullshitting the crowd with their motivational teaching. Most people's bullshit alarms go off, and even ones that sign on out of pity end up bailing if the brainwashing doesn't take hold and they do MATH and see they are going to keep on losing money forever in Amway. We always knew it had to do with everyone in the upline getting a piece of greed pie after the lowly Ambot at the bottom of the pyramid did a lot of work to make a sale. He is still my friend today and his upline Diamond is still living in Porter County and still has his plane, Cars, 1.8 million dollar home and even he admits that the downturn in the economy hurt his business. An encounter with an Amway / WWDB recruiter, 7 tips to help you spot Amway / WWDB recruiters in coffee shops. But who the hell pays $20 for lipgloss? Almost nobody finds success without a few major lapses in judgment along the way. People in Amway are prudes The correct answer when asked about your dream is to say its to produce gay porno movies. See Amway.com/income-disclosure for details. As reported on this site several weeks ago, UK & ROI Amway Diamonds affiliated with IBS, Jerry & Mandy Scriven, Pat & Greta Gregory, and Dave Butler had not been offered renewed contracts with the "new" Amway.Amway itself confirmed this with a posting on the Amway media blog entitled IBS Unplugged.. Jerry and Mandy Scriven have now responded with a well written and well supported letter on . If you continue to see this error, please contact Customer Service 800-253-6500. Hi Anonymous. One of the anonymous commentors on my site has shared his Amway/Quixtar Story. The friend of a friend of a friend of someone's uncle cousin Larry or something. Great job with this one Anna. i.e. Same bullshit, different company. But, perhaps Theo is still around to clarify his math. Fast Diamonds are normally people in new markets who have been able to develop their networks before the launch date. My diamond makes 1.3 million, and my crown makes 12 million. If he listens to the Amway cult leaders at every meeting the Diamond makes bazillions of dollars in residual income every month or if he reads the small print in the Amway literature they say Diamond makes about 150k. Its great to know that a lot of diamonds are qualifying each year. Answer (1 of 9): Amway diamond income is made up of bonus and commissions paid by Amway and the income earned from BWW which produces Talks and organizes seminars. But our Diamond distributors, because they bought in bulk, would have been given the same discount as a bookshop. But on this note, why don't you get a look at this website, it breaks up a diamond's revenue better than I ever could:http://www.cocs.com/jhoagland/tools.html. I dont regret the couple grand I spent over three years on functions, meetings and tapes. The thing is, TheWhiteafroguy, anyone can make up numbers and amounts. Even if we are talking 4,000 diamondships (which many diamondships have two diamonds in it), that would be each diamondship running $16.5 million in volume annually. first there are taxes, and the expenses of running such a business, so that $150 K gets whittled down to 100 PDQ. the 12 billion annual revenue that is toted around by distributors is the total revenue for Alticor (parent company of Amway). How do you structure your work ? It is obvious that Anna is throwing his/her assumptions here and there and the only way he can evaluate Amway is by calling it names or using foul languages :D I believe you have better things to do with your life other than just sitting here replying everybody for more than a year Anna, let's not reply to me or anybody else and start to enjoy your life. Why not get a job or a casual business an do it much faster? Not quite what the ambots had in mind when they show up here thus the many angry comments they leave behind. The amount of people each Ambot would have to have under them is prohibitively large to make any profit at all. So most people male nothing, and actually lose money because they are not taught to retail to 10 customers a month ( ewwwww.) But the business is real i know a guy who went from a pool clean-up to a diamond in 6 years. In other words, a diamond is downline from another diamond. Anna, you are far better off than the average American. No? You do till you are 65.It takes time to build any business.And so what if Amway people are out building their business alk the time. Those two couples are now in Amway/Quixtar terms "Emeralds and Diamonds". And Im sure if you take it seriously, you will be up there with all the diamonds too. Thanks for stopping by with your story. That's why there is a 90 day money back guarantee so you can't be out anything. Anonymous - you agree with Theo the lying little Amway ambot who shows up here pretending to be an executive diamond? See, i don't love amway. Osuwariboy - he's being a bad little Ambot isn't he. What kind of revelation is that I ask? Over 200,000 GIA-Graded. After all, as we speak, IBOs in your team are leaving and you have to replace them, otherwise you'll drop out of qualification! Amway altered my pre-teen years, and straight-up destroyed my parents marriage back in the early 1990's (my dad was in Amway & my mom refused to be a part of it) I was 10-15yrs old when I bore witness to the fucking Amway lifestyle.I'm 35 now, and I look back and see all the ways Amway brainwashed my dad. In the late 1980s I frequently attended Amway rallies to help out a friend (bringing potential recruits to these rallies made my friend look good to his upstream). According to the assholes in your Amway upline Amway Diamonds make millions of dollars a year! I already feel like I'm walking into a trap. And this is after quite a lot of truly hard work. How many IBOs have come in here claiming they know someone who makes "gazillions'? I've seen stories where they'll say "come to the seminar.. You had to listen to their bullshit propaganda. It's sad really. Otherwise no one would be making money because nobody who's not an Ambot wants to buy Amway product. & Help many peopel to make money. of more than 1400 Amway Diamonds and above. Now why don't you go find somewhere else on the Internet where you can spout off your canned Amspeak bullshit propaganda because around here we've heard all that shit before. But really? No one every enforced the 10 customer rule in order to get a commission from Amway. Who should we believe? Have you heard about that. Good luck with your future! Gross or net and with or without a few cash events Diamonds can't afford to live millionaire lifestyles on that income. Amway Diamonds- How To Hit The Rank. If lying and scamming people is part of being a Christian then you can see why so many people want no part of it. Funny. They would be the first to do that since Brad and Julie Duncan went Founders Diamond. Its just those fucking little Amway assholes that show up here to say that Im broke when unlike their beloved Amway Diamonds I have never had to file bankruptcy or had the bank foreclose on my house. I ran across your amazing blog. And because you're a dumb fuck Amway Ambot I have to spell it out for you. We were actively involved in the business for years and were greatly blessed in the relationships we have and the things we learned from our upline and all of the Diamonds and above from the seminars we chose to go to. Amway isnt a scam. You know very few people call and want to get in. Hi anna. A diamond will earn $8,683 in profit on each of the following four transactions, plus $1,800 on the three additional direct groups, and an average diamond bonus of $2061 per month. If those are things you're successful at then don't brag about it around here. Of course, Diamonds can have international legs, Diamonds do overlap, and Diamonds have Platinum legs that are bigger than 7500PV, so that figure likely has no little resemblance to reality. It's a no-brainer . DON'T YOU? Kyritsis got off easy. Not even accurate. So even you had to resort to AMWAY for publicity of your cheap BLOG. Hehehe,I am about to go Diamond in only 3 years of hard work and dedication.How much I Love when skepticals turn out to be wrong :)Du, nu nu nu, nu nu, nu nu,Cant touch me. Trump has lost more money than most of us will ever see. You actually tell them what you want to talk to them about and show them some videos online before having them over. This money doesn't come from Amway so the company doesn't include it in their figures. Then why show up here and do it? Amway Wiki is one of the most popular Amway related websites on the internet, with nearly 20,000 visitors a month and an awful lot of that traffic comes from people searching for the names of individual Diamonds folk are looking for information, lets help them get the facts! In fact fact, I think they probably earned no more than $30,000 then. Great friend.yes u can make it happen also.great work.great idea.great dream.great lifestyle.see u on top.n peace. It's stupid to work a job and make your boss rich. (later shortened to Amway) so they could expand the product line to include regular household items. Perhaps someone has a link to Amway's literature showing this new amount that diamonds earn yearly. Don was a High School science teacher and basketball coach. Its being ripped off by the scam.Yeah I remember the Amway cult leaders preaching over and over to show the plan. Did you get married? His team would be the first out there in Amway history that helped some achieve their dreams! I really just stumbled upon this blog but I took time out of my day to make a post. Not everyone who signs up makes it, its all about how much effort you put. Anonymous - you better go counsel with the assholes in your Amway upline. I just wish this existed back in the late 80s and I wouldn't have to watch my parents spend tens of thousands of dollars on a lost dream. We might publish that comment to make fun of you. And all of us love the freedom we have to spend with our family and all the time and money we have now that the Amway cult is no longer sucking us dry emotionally and financially. I hope you are doing that now. Furthermore, in 2009 Amway held celebrations of their 50th Anniversary and invited all qualified Diamonds and above to Las Vegas. They are first people you should turn to for advice. If you love Amway and the assholes in your Amway upline so much, boy did you pick the wrong place on the Internet to hang out! IT IS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY,BUT WITH A GOOD TEAM,GOOD MENTER,SUCCESSFUL LEADER CAN HELP YOU TO SUCCESS IN THIS OPPORTUNITY.SO BE WITH SUCCESS TEAM. . In the year to August 31, 1993, Amway achieved revenue of $210 million, an increase of 9.7% over the previous year, and it posted a rise of 17.4% . A person can live a decent lifestyle on this income if you watch how you spend it. Less than $5 for a good name brand at the drugstore. They are all taught by their cult masters "everyone not involved with Amway are broke losers", which is ludicrous to anyone not brainwashed. They were brought up in some kind of religious households so they're already greedy. I fail to see how financial and emotional distress is awesome but then I don't meet this ambot's high standards. We have been "in the business" now for some 18 yrs, and have been @ the Direct/Platinum or above level for 17 of those yrs. I'm just amazed that on a blog where we write about how people in Amway are a bunch of dumb fucks that the Amway Ambots have to show up here and prove it. I have a list of every North American Diamond that has appeared in the Amagram since 1964. The current page will be reloaded with this account info. These days Amway Ambots easily spend a grand a month on this scam. So by Amway Ambot logic Donald Trump, the Queen of England, Bill Gates, Oprah, Warren Buffett, and Richard Branson are all broke.And what's with those ambots that show up here bragging about how much money Amway made in sales last year. This site is my personal opinions about the Amway company. So far, from what I've read the stories here are pretty fucked up. Using Kellys technique of assuming no overlap in businesses and no international sponsoring, but with correct figures, Amway US Sales could theoretically support more than 530 Founders Diamonds. Just cause your husband didnt do so good on amway doesnt mean that other people well do the same thing. Anonymous - apparently life experience from people who lived through the Amway hell isn't good enough in person actually lived through it research. Not being able to go to other kids birthday parties because their parents "counselled with upline" about buying the birthday kid a present and were told no, use that money to buy more shitty overpriced Amway products instead. Indeed they do get speaking fees. "if i don't get him/her back i will end my life.."What, so you can't even tell if your ex lover is a man or a woman? Why? You probably would have better luck trying to sign up 5 seagulls to the Amway scam than you'd have signing up real people! If you have a guts you can fly in the sky. You kind find better stuff free at the library or online. Maybe he really has those things and his debt will result in his retiring at 33 years old to his mansion in South America. Youre the liar you broke loser. silverthorn road, seminole, fl33777. They flog overpriced shitty products to Ambots who are bullied by the upline to keep buying. Lip gloss that lights up or the container it comes in lights up? Depending how old they are they might not ever be able to bounce back from the Amway hell hole. Yup to the whiteboard and drawing circles on it. I don't know what made you guys so bitter, But it really seems like you have no idea what you're talking about. Why don't you show them the Amway printed literature you have to show all prospects. I have an excellent credit rating but those fucking Amway assholes that read my blog accuse me of being broke. I'm glad the people who work for us don't have that attitude. Robert FitzPatrick again explains why 'MLM/Direct Selling' is a Big Lie. $20+ for lip gloss?!!! Live from an Amway meeting! Thank to your rude comments id rather be apart of Amway, atleast they have respect, values and know how to talk to others like grown, mature people.Thank you for allowing me to see how being someone like you would be the worst decison of my life.Amway here I come! These people we were calling were friends, family and acquaintances, and if they didn't buy in, we were to "flush" them? Considering benefits like healthcare and retirement, the total compensation package likely approaches $200k. The average diamond earns about $150,000, according to Amway. heard all the "Motivational speeches". Please check your Minimum Browser Requirements. 2 / Brandon Odom pt. And if the first one doesn't work then there's always another one to try. There are over 10,000 comments left on this blog over the years. Do you stand up at Amway meetings and scream out at the Diamond "Shut the hell up you broke loser!!!!" The point of this blog is to show that Amway is NOT a solution, it's a money-losing cult that MAKES problems for people, not solve them. Facts are not "assumptions". Its not about money Anna, its about having the freedom to choose your own hours and not answering to anyone. Personally, however (regardless of what I think of the Amway Corporation or the "tool scam") I have great admiration for anyone who manages to build a successful Amway business because the work they have to do is my idea of absolute hell. Oh great another dumb fuck Amway ambot stops by. You just proved a point, 95% quit within 2 years. Amway is a way of life. We dont moderate comments on weekends. Nonsense. I did Amway for a few months back in the mid 90s when I was in the Marines. Its called facts and people who ignore them are called ignorant. Amway busi. Not people, but Rs. You got it Sprigsleg. If you can help contribute to Amway Wiki with information on existing Diamonds, or even just a simple page with the names of any Diamonds were missing and their level please do so! When a Diamond dies, he can look back on his life and say, "Ive helped thousands of people make extra money and accomplish their goals though free enterprise and universal success principles and generated economy for this country" When Anna Banana dies, she will say.. "I was a cunt that liked to blog that never helped anyone. ?I'm always amused that it's someone's 'relative' or 'friend' or 'co-worker' or what-the-hell-ever that they know. BWW? My story of what its like to be married to an Amway cult follower. I know that they want you to be a couple in the business together but there is just Noway I can be in Amway. I would lean toward him being full of crap, though.Being an employee working for someone else at $150k per year is a good place to be. Hold on Darnell, are you saying that your parent company doesn't provide full income disclosure of diamonds? The diamonds I know built a house on their property for their parents. Hi Anonymous. You are right on to the tee of your critical assessment of Amway. Actually I'm wrong. In India how much students R Doctors? Yes, any hand you are dealt could be the one that wins you all the chips, but playing every hand like it is a flush straight will bleed your chips dry. I feel bad for the people on here saying that they "TRIED" to work it, that means they never actually put the work in. At least we sleep at normal nighttime hours and not up at the wee hours of the morning trying to figure out how much money diamonds make. Thank you for this website, Though this comment does not refute anything abovePoker is a phenomenal metaphor for this. It is only concerned with getting me to sign up, and pay for CDs and books and functions for the rest of my life. Vicky - are you trying to tell us your ex-lover is a lying cheating scamming Amway Diamond and you want that fucker back? The rich successful restaurant owners pay their waiters crap, and hire illegals, at substandard wages, to clean up at night. Look anna saintana fuck off and get a life. Yesterday is waste paper, today is news paper, tomorrow is question paper and Amway is the answer paper. Who is Amway critic Joecool? At least if people are watching TV they aren't losing money to Amway. See just a few of the former Amway diamonds who have left the business. However, most people in the organizations do NOT bother with the 10n retail customer rule. "if someone unemployed joins amway..great! Unless they're fucked in the head like I previously covered.I get some low level IBO's showing up here bragging about how much money they make but everyone in Amway is a liar so that's nothing new.Wow you got so far in 3 years! Commission from Amway of about $10/month.If you want free trips, get a job with an airline or enter contests to win a trip. It's so funny that you all still think it's a scam and it doesn't work. Not that he had any success with it when we were inside the Amway cult! Avon closing in Australia and New Zealand, 15 consecutive months of growth for Amway North America. my opinion is that they had a goal and despite sooooooo many people telling them they can't do it, you're crazy, just quit. We talk about the meetings, rallies, and functions we attended and then you show up here like a dumb fuck and say I don't know if you've ever heard of WWDB. My view on it: It can work if you put the effort and time in. Anna, your blog ROCKS!!! I know we did.Why do Amway ambots keep accusing me of having a job? The first thing you should know is that to become a Diamond like all the other Amway Diamonds you need to have 6 platinum legs. this is halarious. Come back after year 3, and 4, and 5, and let's see that fighting spirit. LOLOL wow. Unless they can sell the already ENORMOUSLY overpriced products for any kind of profit to a large customer base (something few Ambots can get working for them as other than pity purchases, the rest of the population can find better products at their local stores for wayyy better prices and convenience), then the only other thing is to self-consume and then try to recruit others to self consume and find others, etc. Hello Anna, I read this entire page and all its comments and I'd like to share my story. You need to be asked to join the elite, and you are sworn to secrecy. January 6, 2012: Updated information on Carole Holiday here. Ambot should know the answer. I know these are true, because they show us their checks. I know there are some greedy morons in the business. I am enjoying the path of this business because I do not believe that another person can dictate what I am worth, I know it's a investment and if your passion and work ethic is strong you can succeed in the business! Wow, I knew it. 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