The second half of Eyes Wide Shut sees Bill being given ominous warnings from this secret society, and he can't seem to find his mask from the party. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. He did not know who she was: she was wearinga mask. A powerful man realizes one night that his wife has had not one but myriad Her pubic hair is trimmed just like Mandy's Pubic hair. Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. Is that how > you> would describe it? You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. Even Ziegler only uses that wordin reference to his own earlier party, while referring to the Somertonrituals always more elusively: "I was there, at the House", "what ifwhat happened was a fake, a charade", etc, but no mention of any'party' at Somerton. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. > Take another listen. at the> ceremony/orgy. Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in adepressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethaldrug overdose. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. To take Tess or Barry Lyndon in the same context is perhaps moreappropriate to various periods stylistically divergent from an intentor device for Picasso to depict women;- a later advancement thatneedn't further qualification than figures posed in gold, as was aliteral premium exacted upon proceeds, so written by one later model,over stipends derived from the estate. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. It's just idiotic. He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. If he were> Ziegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privately> communicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly as> possible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Ziegler> subsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like a> complete fool')? > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. These ceremonies must have been a big customenr for his former patient. You saw her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor Cruise go free. Carolin Ruwe, in her book Symbols in Stanley Kubrick's Movie 'Eyes Wide Shut', argues that the mask is the prime symbol of the film. -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. I never said Bill recognized him.we get to recognize him when > we study it. In a > case like that a pwerson would go through the various possibilities in his > mind, but he was kinda busy. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)> would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elites> doesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who do> recognise the realities of social power and of desire are just> paranoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those who> attribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are being> properly paranoid). Mandy was not the same woman. Indeed, the film iscentrally concerned with the failure of a 'male-centric' andpatriarchal ideology to deal with female desire; and the narrativethrust of the film revolves around Bill's increasingly hopelessefforts to flee from (but also to copy and avenge) Alice's desire, adesire from which he is completely excluded, just as he is laterexcluded from the desire-space of the power-elite at Somerton. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to > all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. The Daily Planet may go under too. Please either stop or> shape up. WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. Why would he demand that she take off> her mask if this were so? One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any > way. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film audience. Bill Harford doesn't really showmuch recognition in th emorgue scene. Ha ha hah, ha ha hah! news:47897d0b$0$5129$4c36@roadrunner.com > Harry writes: (seen on google)>> >>> 1. so drugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense >> >>> of>>> anything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligible >> mumbling),<<<>, >> No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare >> kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. As opposed to arborescent: two contrasting concepts central to muchphilosophical debate over the past few decades (see, for instance, thework of philosophers Deleuze and Guattari). I am normally the last guy in theworld to criticize somebody for using big words, but, besides that you'renot bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using themserves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." 0. How manypayments of $19.99 was that, again?-- "History is a lie agreed upon." This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. for the morgue scene but it is still meant to be the same Mandy. Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. '<<<<<<<<<<<> I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. It's not like > he is going to voice all his thoughts.>>>, >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. (3) With the advent of cyberspace, and just simple disinterest many newspaper companies have gone under. >What else could> he call it? My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". >>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here that unless they are encoded in single frames for analyssis will alwasy be a mystery. If we try > to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries and > much conjecture. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. 2. Put on some headphones and listen. >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. >>What else could he call it? And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one --And men fancied he was dusted in gold. Those critics of EWS must have been delerious. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. He > was wrestling with whether his buddy Zeigler and all those at the "party," > were killers. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. WebEyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubricks love letter to his wife. ---people with no idea of the futility and silliness of counting endless grains of sands, with their mental masturbations and perserverations. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing > this," Mandy says, "Ya." "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. Orgy? Orgy? If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. Like much of the director's work like The Shining, movie fans love to debate the symbolism and meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" ", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIXuHaaz5iU, > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Sakyamuni had taught that simpleminded people of even blind faith are way ahead of these blabbering, eliteist, arrogant intellectuals. Models at the party attended by the Royal Family. Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. >> First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he >> was showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom.>, > Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professional> doctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety than> about Mandy's actual wellbeing. "anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. WebThat particular Royal event featured masked women who were as NOT dressed as those in the Eyes Wide Shut ritual. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? That is what she was" implying that her death> is of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Ziegler> chooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by the> Zieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by his> desire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house> ("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? Eyes Wide Shut is Stanley Kubrick's final movie starring Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, but what does the mask on the pillow near the end mean? It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, etc. Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. WebSleep Mask for Women, Eye Mask for Sleeping Blindfold Block Out Light and Relieves Dry Eyes with Extra Gel Beads Pad,Super Smooth and Flower Patterns 4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars The woman who had tried to warn Bill intervenes and insists on redeeming him, at an undisclosed personal cost. >>He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >>somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning theidentities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps anddeadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just likeZiegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' ofevents. Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? at the > ceremony/orgy. In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. >What else could he call it? The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". So if instead, he replayed Alice's voice (or Ziegler's voice) thiswould 'prove' that the body was that of Alice (or Ziegler)? In contrast, why does the masked woman seeminglyalready know much more than they do? But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). Amazing. Other interpretations are floating around, including the idea Alice was also at the party, and while there's no set meaning for how the mask got on that pillow, the idea Alice put it there herself seems to be the prevailing theory. > Mandy was not the same woman. Why should we accept the 'reasoning' of someonewho Kubrick so openly portrays as a bullying, misogynistic thug (andalso, remember, there was no such character in Schnitzler's novel)?Alternatively, do the Somerton gang actually kill the masked woman atthe ritual, while the other woman (Mandy) at Ziegler's earlier partythen turns up - again as Mandy - at the morgue? One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. The lower part is made of paper-mache, while the upper one What does the mask on the pillow at the end of Eyes Wide Shutmean? Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. ME> Again. Alot was going on, he had to figure it out. The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. Before warning him, the Much of what we have seen is Bill's non-verbal reactions to all this, which is full of shock and bewilderment. Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? 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