Moderators: M39Scout, trautert, Carl Gustav, nothernug, ThePitbullofLove, VIS35, beanstrung, Cabinetman, 1886lebel Share Share with: Link: Copy link Switch to Print View -. that fit underneath the barrel of the M91, M91/41 and T.S.'s. very rare, and must not be confused by the much more commonly offered Chinese Warlord Armies 1911-30 by Philip Jowett, page 22. V8729 is the serial number. Carcano is the frequently used name for a series of Italian bolt-action, internal clip fed, repeating military rifles and carbines. Serial numbers are on the barrel just in front of the receiver,along with a date or date code and identification of the arsenalwhere the weapon was made. (310 items) This was the standard bayonet for the Model 1891 Mannlicher Carcano Rifle, and served in both world wars. Well, It's not an M38, looks to be a heavily sportered M41. It was later scrutinized by local police, the FBI, the U. S. Army and two federal commissions. After the invasion of China, all Arisaka production was required for use of the Imperial Army, so the Imperial Navy contracted with Italy for this weapon in 1937. You own a swiss rifle and don't know the exact type? After World War II, Italy replaced its Carcano rifles first with British LeeEnfields and then with the US .30 caliber (7.62 mm) M1 Garandsemi-automatic rifle. 1997, surplusrifle.com Carcano Model Identification 1941 Model 1891/41 Carcano Infantry Rifle (53 picture virtual tour). Chrisnp. In Italy, the Polizia di Stato and the Carabinieri retained the Moschetto 38 TS,[7] retiring it from service in 1981. IIRC, the first series was a plain serial number with up to four digits. Terni Carcano Description: Italian Militray Surplus - Wartime Production: Terni Carcano, 38 T.S., 7.35 x 51mm, Manufactured 1928-1930, with a detachable bayonet. ). There are also late war official German 8x57 IS conversions, undertaken And yes, the bolt's a little coarse to. Of these, Carcano-style rifles and carbines have been the most frequently observed style of bolt-action rifle. M38 Cav. Brescia; Two crown proofs on bolt knob, one more worn than the other. That seems to be a Fucile 91/41, probably reworked post-war (hence the discrepancy between butt and barrel numbers), sporterized and rechambered to 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer with British civilian proof for use as a hunting rifle. Others disagree, based e.g. Have you ever taken a broom and begon to sweep the forest ? They were manufactured in the millions, and can be found in a number of variations. Upon negative reports from the troops, them, but regular production). 1 - find serial number on weapon 2- find book with serial number data for weapon you have. relay point for contraband being smuggled by air from Europe. *Sigh* The Left of the buttstock is a six edged box-but only the year is visible: Gun is very long will barely fit in my gun cabinet! followed by 4 numbers. I bet the Moisin Nagant must have a kick to it with it's heavier cartridge. The occasionally used model moniker "Model 1943 (M43)" for these converted 7.92mm rifles is wrong, as they were never so designated by the Italian military. Below is a table of manufacturers showing the production years for the It's helpful to read your post right now. below is a translation of the model/variant nomenclature: In addition to the manufacturer's identifying logo, the year of If you wish to add information to the database, please send us the information. Tipo I, Carcano S Serial Numbers With AA When they expended the whole alphabet, the Italians then prefixed the serial numbers with AA, AB, AC.AZ, then they started the BA series, BB series, etc, etc. by two companies: 6.5mm Photo German forces captured large quantities of Carcanos after Italy's capitulation in September 1943. and Iraq were all involved. autumn 1922) also stamped in Roman numerals on most barrels. configurations (Heinrich Krieghoff branch factory in Tyrol). the German-captured Mosin-Nagants converted to 8 x 57 IS. 5 people found this helpful. 10,000 were assembled to fulfill a contract even though they would mano, that is, successively as soon as a gun would have to be After reports of inadequate performance at both short and long ranges. It was the most commonly issued rifle to the German Volkssturm ("People's Militia") units in late 1944 and 1945.[8]. Exists as M91, M38, M 38 S, M91/38. M91/38 model in and by itself. Everything else, M91/38, M91/41, M91/28, etc. by three companies: 6.5mm Photo wooden forearm; the Moschetto TS not. R.E. I have a funny feeling that not all the letters in the alphabet were used (sort of like the letter prefixes used with the French Mas36s), or certain factories were assigned certain blocks of letter prefixes. These are Finland sold all of its approximately 74,000 remaining 7.35mm M91/38 Carcano rifles on the surplus market. Receiver marked HK, Cleaning 0764350811. has a 5 round box magazine (for stripper clips). After the invasion of China, all Arisaka production was required for use of the Imperial Army, so the Imperial Navy contracted with Italy for this weapon in 1937. No. A WWII bringback with some sporterizing done to it. The proposition was declined in 1922 and these rifles remained in Yugoslav hands until 1941. 6 days ago Garageband is one of the must-have apps on Apple iOS for those who are interested in creating music, but sadly, the tool is not available on Windows 10 at. on top of the barrel breech, indicating the reworking arsenal (mostly Here is an example: stating "I have a Carcano Moschetto TS Mod. The M-S is a good cartridge, but is now probably more difficult to find than Carcano ammo (which is made by PRVI). Italian armed forces had enormous stocks of original Austrian M1895 rifles During the Libyan Civil War in 2011, many rebels went into battle with their personally-owned weapons, including old bolt-action rifles and shotguns. ", "Inferior Arms Hobble Rebels in Libya War", "Libyan rebels make gains against Gaddafi forces in western mountains", "Carcano Identification: A Quick and Dirty Guide for Variations", "Italian Carcano Rifles Captured by Austro-Hungary", "BULGARIAN SMALL ARMS OF WORLD WAR II, PART I: SOME OLD AND SOME NEW. Original serial number on stock (DH4205) has been overstamped; Recently (as of 21 Sep 1998) purchased this rifle from collector in North Carolina, USA. Sep 04, 2020 That seems to be a Fucile 91/41, probably reworked post-war (hence the discrepancy between butt and barrel numbers), sporterized and rechambered to 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer with British civilian proof for use as a hunting rifle. Of these, Carcano-style rifles and carbines have been the most frequently observed style of bolt-action rifle. Following lawsuits over its ownership, the rifle ended up in storage at the National Archives. Syria: M91 carbines used after the 1946 Syrian independence, Tunisia: M91 rifles used by the Neo Destour, Carcano M38 cal.7.35x51mm shooting (video); close-up (video). CARCANO SERIAL NUMBER DATABASE for Mac offers you an easy way to catalog your video game library and keep a digital record of it. by two companies: 7.92mm Photo Gardone Val Trompia; M38-manufactured by without the bottom dot. by four companies: 7.35mm Bombe), the Grenade Launcher variants of the M91/28 T.S., M38 T.S. Austria-Hungary: Captured during World War I, about 49,500 were converted to use the available 6.554mm MannlicherSchnauer cartridges. The proposition was declined in 1922 and these rifles remained in Yugoslav hands until 1941. Significant Dates. (new) by three companies: 6.5mm Rifle actually rates Good-VG. The Carcano: Italy's Military Rifle by Hobbs, Richard J. C1996, 2nd ed. Reasonably accurate up to 200 yds but after that the light bullet is very susceptible to winds, temp and barometric pressure variations. Rifles manufactured after 1921 will have a date code consisting of 2 letters stamped on the left side of the barrel near the receiver. Fucile (Long rifle): Fabricated National Arsenal Brescia, serial number A3707. Several lots of Moschetti M91/38 TS (special troops' carbines) were chambered for the German 857mm Mauser sS heavy ball round. central Italy which had recently been used by the RAF. Its official designation in Italian is simply Modello 1891, or M91 ('il novantuno'). Some guns with a Also the serial number on the barrel is V2214 and matches the stock. The overall length is just under 40 inches and barrel length is c.19.25 inches. May 7, 2013 . [5] According to reports, the Finns disliked the rifle. Metallurgica Bresciana; The Type I was used primarily by Japanese Imperial Naval Forces and was chambered for the Japanese 6.550mm Arisaka cartridge. One conversion is the Tromboni Launchi Bombe (aka Troboncino Launcia military and are marked with the Star of David, others bare Arabic writing M91/28 - manufactured Carcano Database - Carcano M91 (Including M91/24) Carcano Database - Carcano M91 (Including M91/24) Last updated: Tue 23 Jan 2001 12:55:00 GMT If you wish to add information to the database, please send us the information. PW Arms Panzer. However, the Italian government was unable to successfully mass-produce the new arms in adequate quantities before the onset of war, and in 1940, all rifle and ammunition production reverted to 6.5mm, but no 7.35mm Mod. Come back again soon! [5] Despite this, it's worth noticing that the Finns themselves modified the fixed optics on the rifle to operate from a range of 200 m to only 150 m.[6] Whenever possible, Finnish soldiers discarded the weapon in favor of rifles acquired on the battlefield,[5] including standard models of captured Soviet-made MosinNagant rifles. Brescia; 1894 to 1936 Army, and two federal commissions. To believe that the two pictures above are depicting two different rifles is ridiculous. 1917 date appears to be a newer stamp than the SN and other numbers. 2562 # 13 Warren Report. With original first pattern sling (wide, not adjustable). This modification entered service in 1943, just before the Italian capitulation. Most charts narrow the time frame to within a period of 4 years or less. serial number Hexagonal stamp on left side, hard to read, with Royal shield and date of 1897. It is almost impossible that two Carcanos would have identical serial numbers unless someone altered them. The Type I is based on the Type 38 rifle and uses a Carcano action, but retains the Arisaka/Mauser type 5-round box magazine. Ammo costs more than the gun! Gardone Val Trompia; After the invasion of China, all Arisaka production was required for use of the Imperial Army, so the Imperial Navy contracted with Italy for this weapon in 1937. missing. by two companies: 7.92mm Photo where is the serial number for the blackberry storm located? Terni; Unlike the other Carcani, which have a 6 round charger-clip magazine, the However, from a time 11 months before Oswald placed his order, the Chicago sporting goods store from which he purchased it had been shipping the slightly longer 40.2-inch (102cm) Model 91/38 under the same ad, and this is the weapon Oswald received. A short carbine, stocked almost to the muzzle, with a bayonet lug and a Terni Carcano Rifle Serial Numbers Value During the Libyan Civil War in 2011, many rebels went into battle with their personally-owned weapons, including old bolt-action rifles and shotguns. Keep in mind that the Italian alphabet doesnt use the letters J, K,W,X, and Y, but weirdly enough I have a M38 short rifle with a K prefix.hmmm. A few M 91/41 may have their bottom swivels Richard Hobbs thinks, based on an oblique and unclear remark in Italian army Helpful. You cannot find out unless you provide the model number with the serial number. internalized. Successively replacing the previous Vetterli-Vitali rifles and carbines in 10.3547mmR, it was produced from 1891 to 1945. One manufacturer, FNA R.E.Terni; handle; their receiver breech end has a half-moon cut to accomodate for A half-stocked cavalry carbine, with the unmistakable triangular folding Strange that. Brescia; 1894 to 1936 Gardone Val Trompia; 1935 to 1937 R.E.Terni; 1928 to 1937 M38 - manufactured by four companies: 7.35mm Beretta; 1939 Brescia; 1938 Gardone Val Trompia; 1939 R.E. Works like a charm. Carcano, what do I have? If you a question(s) regarding identifying your Carcano, you can email us. (which I suspect. Carcano Modello 1891 (M91) - Bolt-Action Service Rifle / Carbine . Carcano model Identification. [35] The advertisement only specified a "6.5 Italian Carbine" and actually shows a Carcano model M91 TS, which was the 36-inch (91cm) Carcano carbine model sold through the ad when it was originally placed. Which Swiss rifle do I have? Feb 04, 2008 Sounds like you've got a M38 Carcano Carbine in 6.5mm, which is a nice handy little rifle. a large number of captured Italian small arms to the Dutch in East Indies In 1943, German forced seized as many carcanos as possible . Faint outline of a large cartouche in the stock by the serial #. Rifles manufactured after 1921 will have a date code consisting of 2 letters stamped on the left side of the barrel near the receiver. It's my first mil surplus, so I am still learning. It served as Italy's standard infantry rifle during World War I and World War II. Official reports have concluded that Oswald used this weapon to assassinate U. Retrieved from 'https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carcano&oldid=915824978', Julio S. Guzmn, Las Armas Modernas de Infantera, Abril de 1953, Old Italian Carcanos Used by Rebels in Libya Revolutionary Program, July 7, 2011. Beware. Beretta; Serial Numbers for "T" prefix Hi-Power pistols exceeded T300000 and were shipped into 1970. Terni Carcano Rifle Serial Numbers Value Model number on stock is S363171. This was done in the Terni arsenal between 1922 to 1928 or 1929 and stamped on the barrel next to the original manufacture date. Syria: M91 carbines used after the 1946 Syrian independence, Tunisia: M91 rifles used by the Neo Destour, Carcano M38 cal.7.35x51mm shooting (video); close-up (video). Some were also converted to 6.554mm MannlicherSchnauer, one of the standard cartridges of the Greek military at the time. Carcano Home Page Rather than guess a specific year for a specific serial number the charts below present a serial number range and the years that range started and ended based on the markings and additional resources. 1938 7.35mm rifles were issued to the Finnish Navy, as well as anti-aircraft, coastal defense, and other second-line (home front) troops.[5]. done by Heinrich Krieghoff at plant 12 Moschetto per Cavalleria After the invasion of China, all Arisaka production was required for use of the Imperial Army, so the Imperial Navy contracted with Italy for this weapon in 1937. THE ORIGINAL LIST of serial numbers of 700 Carcano Italian carbines received by Century Arms, Inc. from Empire: Serial number 2766 appears on last page of numbers (Exhibit D 103) See COMM.. 38 rifles nor carbines were ever re-barreled to the old 6.552mm caliber. Mauser; 8 x 57 IS; 8mm Mauser). The 39.5 inch, 7 lb 2 oz cavalry carbine, without stacking hook, and bayonet lug, with sling swivels on the left side of the stock, to be carried in a saddle boot. It is almost impossible that two Carcanos would have identical serial numbers unless someone altered them. These old weapons saw combat once again due to the rebels' limited access to modern firearms. Fucile corto (Short rifle): R.E. 1940 to 1945, fixed sight, after 43 this gun had no markings other than - Sling bars and swivels: only at the bottom for the M91, whereas the M38- manufactured by (which I suspect. Report abuse . Seen at a gunshow and reported in poor condition. At least one small arms authority noted inconsistencies in powder types in arsenal-loaded 6.552mm military ammunition, often with different powder types and ammunition lots intermixed within a single clip of ammunition. It is supposed to be a crown set above the crest of Savoy (the ruling dynasty of the Italy from 1861 - 1946). After reports of inadequate performance at both short and long ranges[2][3] during the campaigns in Italian North Africa (19241934), and the Second Italo-Abyssinian War (1934), the Italian army introduced a new short rifle in 1938, the Modello 1938, together with a new cartridge in 7.3551mm caliber. Launcia Bombe Photos Beretta; 1939 Cases where the phenotype is these features were changed, and the old style rifles were almost all usually bear a large "S" mark on the receiver, and often also on the bolt Stock refinished. While the above are movements up into '50's. 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